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	<title>Comments on: Am I Anti-Mormon?</title>
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	<description>An exercise in critical thinking and writing by Joey Day</description>
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		<title>By: rev-ed</title>
		<link>http://www.joeyday.com/2005/12/15/am-i-anti-mormon/comment-page-1#comment-21043</link>
		<dc:creator>rev-ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my experience, &quot;anti-Mormon&quot; is a handy little tag which is far too often used to dismiss an argument when logic fails.  Strictly speaking, anything which contradicts Mormon theology and doctrine could be considered &quot;anti-Mormon&quot; -- even though the disagreement is friendly.  But the person using the term gets to define it in this case.

I love Mormons but I strongly disagree with them.  Some would call me (and have called me) &quot;anti-Mormon&quot; because of that.  Others have enough sense to see that the disagreement is not personal, but doctrinal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my experience, &#8220;anti-Mormon&#8221; is a handy little tag which is far too often used to dismiss an argument when logic fails.  Strictly speaking, anything which contradicts Mormon theology and doctrine could be considered &#8220;anti-Mormon&#8221; &#8212; even though the disagreement is friendly.  But the person using the term gets to define it in this case.</p>
<p>I love Mormons but I strongly disagree with them.  Some would call me (and have called me) &#8220;anti-Mormon&#8221; because of that.  Others have enough sense to see that the disagreement is not personal, but doctrinal.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.joeyday.com/2005/12/15/am-i-anti-mormon/comment-page-1#comment-21042</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Book of Mormon taught nothing different from what early 19th-century religious seekers would have already been familiar with.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hmmm...interesting idea, Aaron.  I could have sworn the &lt;em&gt;Book of Mormon&lt;/em&gt; taught something about Nephites, Lamanites, and Jaredites as ancient Americans, something about Christ appearing to them after his resurrection, something about war being acceptable for certain reasons, something about Christ needing baptism because &lt;em&gt;everyone&lt;/em&gt; needs baptism, something about Christ&#039;s Church needing to have Christ&#039;s name in it, and something about a Prophet named Joseph who would restore the gospel and bring the &lt;em&gt;Book of Mormon&lt;/em&gt; to light when the Lord started gathering his people again.  Those are just a few of the significant historical and doctrinal teachings &lt;em&gt;introduced&lt;/em&gt; in the &lt;em&gt;Book of Mormon&lt;/em&gt;.  Who is Kurt Widmer anyway?  (I looked for a bio or something and couldn&#039;t find one.)  Perhaps he is guilty of some of that &quot;doctrinal misrepresentation&quot; we are talking about.

You do make a good point, however, with your second quote.  No one should assume that all LDS doctrines are found in the &lt;em&gt;Book of Mormon&lt;/em&gt;.  If Joey (or anyone else) wants to avoid doctrinal misrepresentation of Mormonism, he should focus on (and quote from) &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; of the sources I provided in my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.joeyday.org/2005/03/29/mormon-literature#comment-101&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mormon Literature&lt;/a&gt; comment; he should avoid quoting from other sources or using them to represent Mormon doctrine.  

Finally, the &lt;em&gt;Book of Mormon&lt;/em&gt; will always be the strongest starting point for understanding Mormon doctrine.  It is the foundation of LDS theology, and it is &quot;the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion&quot; (Joseph Smith).  Personally, I agree with your first quote (only) when it says that a belief in the divine origin of the book is necessary.  It&#039;s impossible to believe that Church doctrine is true without first believing that Joseph Smith was a Prophet.  The &lt;em&gt;Book of Mormon&lt;/em&gt; proves that he was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Book of Mormon taught nothing different from what early 19th-century religious seekers would have already been familiar with.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;interesting idea, Aaron.  I could have sworn the <em>Book of Mormon</em> taught something about Nephites, Lamanites, and Jaredites as ancient Americans, something about Christ appearing to them after his resurrection, something about war being acceptable for certain reasons, something about Christ needing baptism because <em>everyone</em> needs baptism, something about Christ&#8217;s Church needing to have Christ&#8217;s name in it, and something about a Prophet named Joseph who would restore the gospel and bring the <em>Book of Mormon</em> to light when the Lord started gathering his people again.  Those are just a few of the significant historical and doctrinal teachings <em>introduced</em> in the <em>Book of Mormon</em>.  Who is Kurt Widmer anyway?  (I looked for a bio or something and couldn&#8217;t find one.)  Perhaps he is guilty of some of that &#8220;doctrinal misrepresentation&#8221; we are talking about.</p>
<p>You do make a good point, however, with your second quote.  No one should assume that all <abbr title="The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints">LDS</abbr> doctrines are found in the <em>Book of Mormon</em>.  If Joey (or anyone else) wants to avoid doctrinal misrepresentation of Mormonism, he should focus on (and quote from) <em>all</em> of the sources I provided in my <a href="http://www.joeyday.org/2005/03/29/mormon-literature#comment-101" rel="nofollow">Mormon Literature</a> comment; he should avoid quoting from other sources or using them to represent Mormon doctrine.  </p>
<p>Finally, the <em>Book of Mormon</em> will always be the strongest starting point for understanding Mormon doctrine.  It is the foundation of <abbr title="The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints">LDS</abbr> theology, and it is &#8220;the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion&#8221; (Joseph Smith).  Personally, I agree with your first quote (only) when it says that a belief in the divine origin of the book is necessary.  It&#8217;s impossible to believe that Church doctrine is true without first believing that Joseph Smith was a Prophet.  The <em>Book of Mormon</em> proves that he was.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Shafovaloff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Shafovaloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Keep studying your &lt;cite&gt;Book of Mormon&lt;/cite&gt;â€¦and you can avoid the &quot;doctrinal misrepresentation.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That deserves two quotes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;If belief in the &lt;cite&gt;Book of Mormon&lt;/cite&gt; was a prerequisite to joining the Church, it was a belief in the book&#039;s divine origin rather than the doctrinal content of the book. The &lt;cite&gt;Book of Mormon&lt;/cite&gt; taught nothing different from what early 19th-century religious seekers would have already been familiar with. The theology of the &lt;cite&gt;Book of Mormon&lt;/cite&gt; was monotheistic. Early Mormon theology then would not have been unique in comparison to other beliefs of the day.&quot;
&#8212; Kurt Widmer, &lt;cite&gt;Mormonism and the Nature of God: A Theological Evolution&lt;/cite&gt;, 1830-1915&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Many people assume that if they read the &lt;cite&gt;Book of Mormon&lt;/cite&gt; they will get a good idea of LDS beliefs. However, the &lt;cite&gt;Book of Mormon&lt;/cite&gt; teaches one God, not plural gods as in Mormonism. It mentions heaven and hell, not three degrees of glory, no temple marriage or secret temple ceremonies. It does not teach baptism for the dead, pre-existence of man, eternal progression or polygamy...&quot;
&#8212; Jerald and Sandra Tanner&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Keep studying your <cite>Book of Mormon</cite>â€¦and you can avoid the &#8220;doctrinal misrepresentation.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That deserves two quotes:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;If belief in the <cite>Book of Mormon</cite> was a prerequisite to joining the Church, it was a belief in the book&#8217;s divine origin rather than the doctrinal content of the book. The <cite>Book of Mormon</cite> taught nothing different from what early 19th-century religious seekers would have already been familiar with. The theology of the <cite>Book of Mormon</cite> was monotheistic. Early Mormon theology then would not have been unique in comparison to other beliefs of the day.&#8221;<br />
&mdash; Kurt Widmer, <cite>Mormonism and the Nature of God: A Theological Evolution</cite>, 1830-1915</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Many people assume that if they read the <cite>Book of Mormon</cite> they will get a good idea of <abbr title="The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints">LDS</abbr> beliefs. However, the <cite>Book of Mormon</cite> teaches one God, not plural gods as in Mormonism. It mentions heaven and hell, not three degrees of glory, no temple marriage or secret temple ceremonies. It does not teach baptism for the dead, pre-existence of man, eternal progression or polygamy&#8230;&#8221;<br />
&mdash; Jerald and Sandra Tanner</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Steve and Merissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve and Merissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 04:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joey, neither of us would consider you &quot;Anti-Mormon.&quot;

Additionally, something about the definition of Anti-Mormon that you found doesn&#039;t feel right to us.  Personally, we would reserve that title for people who attempt to destroy Church members&#039; faith by publicly attacking the Church and focusing on its faults (can anyone name one earthly organization without faults?) while giving little or no weight to its well-established strengths.  Anti-Mormons also tend to provide unsupported, incorrect, or twisted information about the Church&#039;s doctrines and teachings.

We found a definition on &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mormon#Anti-Mormonism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the wiki&lt;/a&gt; that seems decent:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Anti-Mormonism, as Anti-Semitism, is criticism of Mormonism based upon prejudice and doctrinal misrepresentation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, you aren&#039;t Anti-Mormon...yet ;).  Keep studying your &lt;em&gt;Book of Mormon&lt;/em&gt;...and you can avoid the &quot;doctrinal misrepresentation.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joey, neither of us would consider you &#8220;Anti-Mormon.&#8221;</p>
<p>Additionally, something about the definition of Anti-Mormon that you found doesn&#8217;t feel right to us.  Personally, we would reserve that title for people who attempt to destroy Church members&#8217; faith by publicly attacking the Church and focusing on its faults (can anyone name one earthly organization without faults?) while giving little or no weight to its well-established strengths.  Anti-Mormons also tend to provide unsupported, incorrect, or twisted information about the Church&#8217;s doctrines and teachings.</p>
<p>We found a definition on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mormon#Anti-Mormonism" rel="nofollow">the wiki</a> that seems decent:</p>
<blockquote><p>Anti-Mormonism, as Anti-Semitism, is criticism of Mormonism based upon prejudice and doctrinal misrepresentation.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, you aren&#8217;t Anti-Mormon&#8230;yet <img src='http://www.joeyday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/wink.png' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  Keep studying your <em>Book of Mormon</em>&#8230;and you can avoid the &#8220;doctrinal misrepresentation.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joey...anti-mormon...oxymoron.

From my conversations with Joey, no Joey is not an anti-mormon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joey&#8230;anti-mormon&#8230;oxymoron.</p>
<p>From my conversations with Joey, no Joey is not an anti-mormon.</p>
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